The Panther

Originally posted by

robert livingston

man this is crazy. on his song dirt off your shoulders it sounded like he said "middle finger to the lord" but on most lyric websites it says "law" well it doesnt matter all of this is pointing the finger at him and i havent heard him trying to jusify it so who knows? I'm not persuaded to everything I hear so as long as the beats on his songs are good I might burn it.

"Dont just bobb your head to the beat! LISTEN TO THE WORDS! and hold us accountable..." - 2pac

PAC knew...so did MJ....

Yall have to realize the beat is what puts u in a trance to not care about the "words" which is he spell... Read up on it, research as much as u want but you have to turn away from their music before you can see it for what it is.

Originally posted by

Imani Joness

I can't say that I'm shocked because most famous people, especailly those with alot of power, lose themselves spiritually. It sounds like he started off right but somehow got lost. Fame will do that to you. smh. Watch, Oprah's next haha! Fareal... -Moneyy

Actually Jay-Z never started off right because he has never been Christian. Oprah has already fell off when she denounced Jesus Christ as her Savior. She hosted mass meditations and new age church services on her show already. She is now into witchcraft and new age doctrine.

Originally posted by

Imani Joness

I can't say that I'm shocked because most famous people, especailly those with alot of power, lose themselves spiritually. It sounds like he started off right but somehow got lost. Fame will do that to you. smh. Watch, Oprah's next haha! Fareal... -Moneyy

Are any of you listening to yourselves? You have twisted the entire meaning of what Jay Z is saying because of your ignorance of "Who You Are". It is apparent that you have no clue as to "Who You Are". Thereby, incapable of understanding Jay-Z's message. This article is entirely presumptious and invalid in majority of it's results. Jesus, was in fact one that attempted to share the equality between he and man, but as a result of the shape of society at the time of the bible, it was completely over-looked, at least the majority of what he said and lived for. In fact, most great teachers, prophets, and Masters were misunderstood. To state who you really are is to be mocked, because you choose to see yourself as "sin" or "worthless" without the labels of society or religion (of which were both man-made. In actuality, there is no "sin" as is described because we were all created with a profound purpose and "choice". Jesus didn't come to "save us from sin" but to proclaim who we already were and to cause for change upon the earth. Sort of like Martin Luther King who started a movement for something that was already. In the beginning, we were already free and slavory was abolished, but it was not recognized. Even until today, we are still growing from that era. So did Jesus have a purpose to start a movement to proclaim what you already. Just a few examples: "When you can see with one eye, then you will be fulfilled", "Do not call anyone your master, neither me, for what I do you can do also; even greater things will you do than what I've done", "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God" - The Kingdom of God is your Mind. "God is a Spirit" as he also states, "Don't worship me, you may worship the Father", "What I do, I do by the one who sent me". God is in our Higher-Conscious and God-Mind. We were created from God (the whole Spirit and Higher Power of Love, Infinite Power, Infinite Ability, Courage, Hope, etc. Hell, we create life as God does, but God is our source of power and were are extensions of that great Spirit (little gods and goddesses). This world is up to us...Well, I guess in 2012 we will all get it if the prophets are right. It won't be the end of the world. But, it will be the end of the way we currently "think" of ourselves because we will have no other way but to alter our way of thinking and being. You weren't born in "sin" because you were created from ABSOLUTE LOVE, HOPE, PEACE, COURAGE, FAITH, ABILITY, ALL KNOWING, ETC. From that, there is no option of "SIN", but choices that yield consequences accordingly. As Jesus said, "So a man thinketh in his heart, so is he", your mind creates the results of your life, via good or bad - it's up to you. And if you don't get it in this life-time, you will eventually get it in another. How about stopping for a moment to "stop telling God you know "him" and ask God (Life, the Creator) to show you TRUTH of itself, which is TRUTH of you." With love, peace, and happiness - I pray you find TRUTH as so many teachers, Jesus, Shakamuni (The original Buddha), Krishna, and others have tried to show us all. Well...in the end, we'll all get it - trust me.

Originally posted by

Imani Joness

I can't say that I'm shocked because most famous people, especailly those with alot of power, lose themselves spiritually. It sounds like he started off right but somehow got lost. Fame will do that to you. smh. Watch, Oprah's next haha! Fareal... -Moneyy

All I can say is WOW...we are all entitled to our own opinions. I just don't think what I wrote in any way shape or form relates to what you are talking about. It is meant to appeal to the Christian conservative base. Not the 5% new age doctrine which you obviously represent.

Originally posted by

Imani Joness

I can't say that I'm shocked because most famous people, especailly those with alot of power, lose themselves spiritually. It sounds like he started off right but somehow got lost. Fame will do that to you. smh. Watch, Oprah's next haha! Fareal... -Moneyy

You also have to remember Ether by Nas, Nas called JayZ on it, "you sold your soul for riches" The whole song Ether is about the spiritual plane. Lol obviously you're a follower.

Originally posted by

Jonathon Gite

Yeah this whole article is ridiculous. It is a very long stretch to say that he is apart of the Illuminati. The hand sign is to represent diamonds not a pyramid. Yeah its the same shape but he has never called it a pyramid. besides the pyramid that is associated with freemasonary is unfinished at the top to signify the continue journey to higher knowledge. The song D'evils have sampling from Snoop Dog and Prodigy of MOBB DEEP. Jay-Z doesnt even say the lines in the song. Thirdly, KRS-One had an album called the blueprint first and nobody seems to accuse of being a Mason. Its laughable at best.

Actually KRS one is a mason too most likely.....and the artists who are sampled on the song sre guilty parties as well....but dont you think theres a reason why u would rap over a hook which u didnt agree with? lets not get foolish here. Something is wrong...its just up to opinion based on facts as to how far you take it.

Originally posted by

Jonathon Gite

Yeah this whole article is ridiculous. It is a very long stretch to say that he is apart of the Illuminati. The hand sign is to represent diamonds not a pyramid. Yeah its the same shape but he has never called it a pyramid. besides the pyramid that is associated with freemasonary is unfinished at the top to signify the continue journey to higher knowledge. The song D'evils have sampling from Snoop Dog and Prodigy of MOBB DEEP. Jay-Z doesnt even say the lines in the song. Thirdly, KRS-One had an album called the blueprint first and nobody seems to accuse of being a Mason. Its laughable at best.

First off KRS 1 even calls Hip Hop a religion have you seen his new book HIP HOP THE NEW TESTAMENT (so are you going to follow another false religion teacher) did you see RAKIM's new album cover with the 7 on it which means the 7% nation of gods and earth (the black man is god and there is no Jesus Christ), do you realize people that these artists and others will stand before GOD and be put in hell if they do not repent, and you want to support them financially!
WHen is the last time you seen a diamond with an EYE behinnd, it is a representation of freemasonry just like on the back of the american dollar which were designed by masons. And the unfinished pyramid shows the missing 33rd pyramid as the EYE of the devil that is why when you see the devil in the form of the goat HE HAS A 3rd EYE IN THE MIDDLE OF HIS HEAD!!! Listen the evidence is in front your face and you still chose to be indoctrinated by one of satans agents. Even his wife Beyonce' did NATION wide commercial adds for Freemasonry in 2008 (look it up). Listen all these hip hop and R&B artist are leading people away from Jesus Christ and they have a hook on your soul because the devil does not want you to let the music go. But if you let go and give all your ears, eyes, and heart to Jesus Christ He will fill you with so much more, repent, throw away all the albums and ask GOD to direct you to the WORSHIP artists you should listen to. Let go of the world and its worship to the devil!

Originally posted by

Jonathon Gite

Yeah this whole article is ridiculous. It is a very long stretch to say that he is apart of the Illuminati. The hand sign is to represent diamonds not a pyramid. Yeah its the same shape but he has never called it a pyramid. besides the pyramid that is associated with freemasonary is unfinished at the top to signify the continue journey to higher knowledge. The song D'evils have sampling from Snoop Dog and Prodigy of MOBB DEEP. Jay-Z doesnt even say the lines in the song. Thirdly, KRS-One had an album called the blueprint first and nobody seems to accuse of being a Mason. Its laughable at best.

dude did u ever think about this its all true you have been tricked by the devil>>>.year krs-one did have a album called blue print but did they say all the disrepectful things abot god like jay-z did ??no even that new song on to the next one>>watch that video and then think about it~sincerly symiira~

Originally posted by

Travis

Eight million stories out there and they're naked
cities is a pity half of yall wont make it. Me I gotta plug Special Ed "I got it made" If Jesus paying Lebron I'm paying Dwyane Wade----Jay Z ( Empire state of mind)

That's wrong! He say's "If Jeezy (from the Gucci diss song Kobe/Lebron) paying Lebron I'm paying Dewayne Wade." Hence a couple years ago Jeezy bestowed the title of Mr. 17.5 before the economy collapsed and drove the price of Coke up, and that's what offended Pimp C when he did the Atlanta bashing interview. Anyway, I will state that I believe their is truth to this article the whole illuminati thing is a strecth because no matter how much money he has he is still a Black man. But their is too much symbolism and comparison between Sean Carter and the power's of the Most High. I find him entertaining but I leave God's work to God he has a way of humbling us to prove points...

Originally posted by

Travis

Eight million stories out there and they're naked
cities is a pity half of yall wont make it. Me I gotta plug Special Ed "I got it made" If Jesus paying Lebron I'm paying Dwyane Wade----Jay Z ( Empire state of mind)

. He said "if Jeezy's paying lebron, not Jesus. It was a reference to Jeezy's song "24 23". Know your facts before u speak on something. All u people are crazy if u think hov worships satan. Yall should get a life

Originally posted by

Travis

Eight million stories out there and they're naked
cities is a pity half of yall wont make it. Me I gotta plug Special Ed "I got it made" If Jesus paying Lebron I'm paying Dwyane Wade----Jay Z ( Empire state of mind)

are yo serious you the reason why rumors start idiot \
"If Jeezy's payin LeBron, I'm paying Dwayne Wade"

Originally posted by

Ray Coleman

Listen JayZ and his wife have Lost their mind to greed , power and to the lust.T he devil is using them and they are aware and letting him destroy their souls . believe me there is an after life and we all must pay, big and small in this world. don't be fooled seek something that is better than just power greed money seek deliverance John 3:16

You are absolutely right. As we all know, we are perfectly created by God with His almighty and powerful hands, moulded specially by Him. Hence, we should not let the devil trick us, tempt us. We should proclaim that God is the one and only sovereign God, that we should spread the gospel to the entire universe in spite of these foolish rappers that spend their worthless lifes worshipping satan. May the Lord be with you, forever and ever, amen.

Originally posted by

Ray Coleman

Listen JayZ and his wife have Lost their mind to greed , power and to the lust.T he devil is using them and they are aware and letting him destroy their souls . believe me there is an after life and we all must pay, big and small in this world. don't be fooled seek something that is better than just power greed money seek deliverance John 3:16

You are absolutely right. Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit, 3-in-1, create us perfectly in His image, so that we can praise Him, worship Him as He is the on and only almighty one, sovereign and humble God. He even sent down His one and only son Jesus to die on the cross and cleansed our sins. But why are we, as true believer of christ still commit these kind of unforgivable acts? I don't care whether jayz or whatever is a christian, but we were once a true believer of christ! Why do people full of greed, lust, etc. still exist in this world? Was God asking too much
when He told us to obey His commandments? Friends, let me tell you, these kind of people would eventually go to hell and suffer because of their own mistakes. Anyways, may the Lord be with you always, amen.

Originally posted by

Hiram

As a graduate of an HBCU - namely Howard, this article disgusts me. How can you as a supposedly educated person even align Freemasonry and Satanism? Secondly, how can you make the absurd assumption that a non-Christian automatically = Satanic? Do you not know your history? Do you not know that many of the ideological founders of black political movements and concepts were freemasons? Do you not know who David Walker is? Marcus Garvey? DuBois? This whole article makes me angry because the correct information is available in libraries and in many Grand Lodges themselves. No one wants to do any real research, just listen to youtube pseudo-scholars with nothing better to do than spread lies about our people, our history, and Freemasonry as a body. Jay-Z is not a freemason. Even if he were, he would not have to keep it a secret. Freemasonry is not a secret society. It is a society with secrets, just like any other fraternal body or governmental body for that matter.

As far as Jay-Z's art is concerned, he aims to be mysterious and draws upon iconography and concepts that have been around forever! It's strange that we think so lowly of our people that we think no one can be successful without submitting to an evil cabal.

Prairie View, step your weight up.

HU's SON!

Frankly Sir I pride myself on being an historian and the men of historical influence were masons I know. But it does not mean that they were Christian. There is only one way to get to the Lord and that is threw the son. If you are not saved you will roast for all eternity and are automatically placed in the Devil's camp. The Word of God is HIS WORD, and it is LAW! The facts are exactly what I have placed in the article. The unmistaken issue with this man is that something is wrong and for a Christian, a question must be raised as to how it affects them and how it influences us as listeners.
It isn't a attack on all masons but there are some questionable practices which go on...and trust me I know all the secrets of the so called "secret society" so I know what goes on. I do my research so I advise that you do yours as well...in the Holy Bible.

Originally posted by

Hiram

As a graduate of an HBCU - namely Howard, this article disgusts me. How can you as a supposedly educated person even align Freemasonry and Satanism? Secondly, how can you make the absurd assumption that a non-Christian automatically = Satanic? Do you not know your history? Do you not know that many of the ideological founders of black political movements and concepts were freemasons? Do you not know who David Walker is? Marcus Garvey? DuBois? This whole article makes me angry because the correct information is available in libraries and in many Grand Lodges themselves. No one wants to do any real research, just listen to youtube pseudo-scholars with nothing better to do than spread lies about our people, our history, and Freemasonry as a body. Jay-Z is not a freemason. Even if he were, he would not have to keep it a secret. Freemasonry is not a secret society. It is a society with secrets, just like any other fraternal body or governmental body for that matter.

As far as Jay-Z's art is concerned, he aims to be mysterious and draws upon iconography and concepts that have been around forever! It's strange that we think so lowly of our people that we think no one can be successful without submitting to an evil cabal.

Prairie View, step your weight up.

HU's SON!

Why is the diamond upsidedown?

Originally posted by

Hiram

As a graduate of an HBCU - namely Howard, this article disgusts me. How can you as a supposedly educated person even align Freemasonry and Satanism? Secondly, how can you make the absurd assumption that a non-Christian automatically = Satanic? Do you not know your history? Do you not know that many of the ideological founders of black political movements and concepts were freemasons? Do you not know who David Walker is? Marcus Garvey? DuBois? This whole article makes me angry because the correct information is available in libraries and in many Grand Lodges themselves. No one wants to do any real research, just listen to youtube pseudo-scholars with nothing better to do than spread lies about our people, our history, and Freemasonry as a body. Jay-Z is not a freemason. Even if he were, he would not have to keep it a secret. Freemasonry is not a secret society. It is a society with secrets, just like any other fraternal body or governmental body for that matter.

As far as Jay-Z's art is concerned, he aims to be mysterious and draws upon iconography and concepts that have been around forever! It's strange that we think so lowly of our people that we think no one can be successful without submitting to an evil cabal.

Prairie View, step your weight up.

HU's SON!

Why is the diamond upsidedown?

Would the freemasons allow Jay-Z's wife to do commercial adds in 2008 if they were not affiliated with them? Hiram since you listed a select few in this secret society maybe you should further your research and expand your list to include people like Aliester Crowley, Albert Pike (both satanist,)and KKK and also remember the fact that Freemasonry would not allow blacks to join them and that is why Prince Hall Masons were started (copy cats).It is a secret society which is why you have to take vows that if you reveal any of its secrets that "your tongue be torn out", "your chest be torn opened" and that is just from joining the Blue Lodge degree and lets not get started on the Hirim Abiff raising from the dead ritual! This all comes from people who repented and got out of this organization which (freemasonry) is also the father of Black Greek letter fraternities and sororities (50% of there founders were freemasons/Prince Hall masons, i.e. Phi Beta Sigma)so those organizations are all the same and bow to false gods and goddesses and JEBULON etc. What is wrong with just following JESUS CHRIST dude, and asking him to come into your heart, He is real and would have died just for you if you were the only one in the EARTH. If JESUS is the only true LORD and GOD and you are not a christian then what are you and who do you serve? GOD did not create all these other religions to confuse everybody, JESUS said I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT NO MAN CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY ME! THere is no other way to heaven plain and simple.

Thank you Hiram for injecting knowledge and common sense into this discussion and not more mindless dogma.

Originally posted by

Hiram

As a graduate of an HBCU - namely Howard, this article disgusts me. How can you as a supposedly educated person even align Freemasonry and Satanism? Secondly, how can you make the absurd assumption that a non-Christian automatically = Satanic? Do you not know your history? Do you not know that many of the ideological founders of black political movements and concepts were freemasons? Do you not know who David Walker is? Marcus Garvey? DuBois? This whole article makes me angry because the correct information is available in libraries and in many Grand Lodges themselves. No one wants to do any real research, just listen to youtube pseudo-scholars with nothing better to do than spread lies about our people, our history, and Freemasonry as a body. Jay-Z is not a freemason. Even if he were, he would not have to keep it a secret. Freemasonry is not a secret society. It is a society with secrets, just like any other fraternal body or governmental body for that matter.

As far as Jay-Z's art is concerned, he aims to be mysterious and draws upon iconography and concepts that have been around forever! It's strange that we think so lowly of our people that we think no one can be successful without submitting to an evil cabal.

Prairie View, step your weight up.

HU's SON!

How many times will you post this same message????? So many interpretations...I wonder who is right. I believe that Mr. Aleister Crowley..I mean Jay-Z (excuss me) is going against Gods commandments...Satan was an angel who dwelled in the kindgon that was an overseerer of music....I believe the majority (not all) of artist in the music industry have turned there backs against God...but for that matter allot of us have (i.e. not following the dieter law, not following the 10 commandments, not keeping the Sabath Holy (Saturday!), following Pagan Holdiays (Easter..even Christmas). One thing that we have for sure is "freewill" but if you know whats right from wrong and you continue to do wrong..that is a sin itself.

Originally posted by

tonya

Are any of you listening to yourselves? You have twisted the entire meaning of what Jay Z is saying because of your ignorance of "Who You Are". It is apparent that you have no clue as to "Who You Are". Thereby, incapable of understanding Jay-Z's message. This article is entirely presumptious and invalid in majority of it's results. Jesus, was in fact one that attempted to share the equality between he and man, but as a result of the shape of society at the time of the bible, it was completely over-looked, at least the majority of what he said and lived for. In fact, most great teachers, prophets, and Masters were misunderstood. To state who you really are is to be mocked, because you choose to see yourself as "sin" or "worthless" without the labels of society or religion (of which were both man-made. In actuality, there is no "sin" as is described because we were all created with a profound purpose and "choice". Jesus didn't come to "save us from sin" but to proclaim who we already were and to cause for change upon the earth. Sort of like Martin Luther King who started a movement for something that was already. In the beginning, we were already free and slavory was abolished, but it was not recognized. Even until today, we are still growing from that era. So did Jesus have a purpose to start a movement to proclaim what you already. Just a few examples: "When you can see with one eye, then you will be fulfilled", "Do not call anyone your master, neither me, for what I do you can do also; even greater things will you do than what I've done", "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God" - The Kingdom of God is your Mind. "God is a Spirit" as he also states, "Don't worship me, you may worship the Father", "What I do, I do by the one who sent me". God is in our Higher-Conscious and God-Mind. We were created from God (the whole Spirit and Higher Power of Love, Infinite Power, Infinite Ability, Courage, Hope, etc. Hell, we create life as God does, but God is our source of power and were are extensions of that great Spirit (little gods and goddesses). This world is up to us...Well, I guess in 2012 we will all get it if the prophets are right. It won't be the end of the world. But, it will be the end of the way we currently "think" of ourselves because we will have no other way but to alter our way of thinking and being. You weren't born in "sin" because you were created from ABSOLUTE LOVE, HOPE, PEACE, COURAGE, FAITH, ABILITY, ALL KNOWING, ETC. From that, there is no option of "SIN", but choices that yield consequences accordingly. As Jesus said, "So a man thinketh in his heart, so is he", your mind creates the results of your life, via good or bad - it's up to you. And if you don't get it in this life-time, you will eventually get it in another. How about stopping for a moment to "stop telling God you know "him" and ask God (Life, the Creator) to show you TRUTH of itself, which is TRUTH of you." With love, peace, and happiness - I pray you find TRUTH as so many teachers, Jesus, Shakamuni (The original Buddha), Krishna, and others have tried to show us all. Well...in the end, we'll all get it - trust me.

That's the point. I don't think most of the Christians have a clear understanding of what God is, nor how they relate to God or Jesus, or let's not mention Shakamuni (The original Buddha), Krishna, etc. It's very unfortunate, the misunderstanding the Christians have as to "Who they really are". This leads to thinking that everything that is outside of the interpretation of the Bible as most interprete it (through the voice of a Minister or Priest), rather than from the inside out, the person is "Satanic". A lot of what Jay Z says is contradictory to many Christians because most Christians are mentally bound and lack understanding and refuse to hear anything other than how they feel the Bible references something, or what the Pastor, Bishop, or Priest says.

Just a quick note. I would love to say more but I have to.

Originally posted by

Aaron Jacobs

This is aimed at all the naysayers and people who would question the research done in preparation for this article or for the quality of students on Prairie View A&M's campus. We produce productive people. If all you are going to do is complain then I suggest that you do your own research by not being biased. Words are all we have to go by. And it is how we judge everything around us. I am Christian and a proud member of PVAMU, and a staff member of the Panther Newspaper. I did considerable amounts of research for this article and this is the watered down version. Because of space concerns and content which would really anger readers, it was shortened considerably. But I have enough to write a thesis on this subject. My audience for this article are Christians! Which by definition are supposed to know that anything outside of God's word is satanic. Let's let God's ways be before our own and actually consider the extremes on both sides before we are sucked into the vacuum of this world. We might all learn something from each other if we hold fast to him instead of men's opinions and man's ways....which are the ways of death.

Originally posted by

keshia

now a days it is hard to find good lyricist (few mc's plays with words, analogies, imagery) so putting his beliefs aside he is a talented dude. bcuz i am a fan im very aware of his god/devil references and i feel like in the lyrics of "lucifer" & "D'evils" he has a internal struggle that many christians (believers) face but they think it makes them bad christians to question and push boundries. but the truth is when u question and not blindly follow u read the bible and build a relationship with god. He hasnt came out and confronted these accusations so who knows right??? but the roc hand symbol is a diamond not a triangle (and he did say that)

yea Jaz-z is a satanist. in his new album on the song empiere state of mind he says ''Hail Mary to the city your a Virgin,
and Jesus can't save you life starts when the church ends''